It cost $5.00. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ (Gal 3:27). We did that too. Charlie was in my class . A different time ; a different place . an Irish name?" decided it was no longer a good way to raise money for Catholic missions. FYI : My granny was raised in Sterling . Sure would love to hear from anyone that remembers. He was a bartender later in life , at least for awhile . NOT catholic, hallelujah. is the gateway to life in the Spirit, and the door which gives access to the other I had the vocation, the novenas were working! We'd all suggest names, and then vote for the one we liked best. (There were a lot of Christines then for some reason it was the favorite name of a lot of the girls). I NEVER questioned or was as smart as Charlie. We were sitting on the floor anyway, but soon we were all (the Catholics) rolling on the floor laughing our heads off! PJ. Names chosen for each baby were REQUIRED to be the names of bonefide saints, beatified by process through Rome. I think there was some small prize involved for any student that sold them. I went to a public school. But I was in the mist of all of the Catholic Truths and those truths just werent ringing true to me. If memory serves, it shows a black child being led by a (white) boy and girl towards a (white) Jesus, while two (white*) nuns look on approvingly. I found I really did not have many skills to offer. I can still see the certificates posted above the blackboards. We were wondering how much trouble Cary would get into . Oh . Fogogo to mention JUG for bad behavior- Justice Under God, also at St. Ignatius College Prep JMJ was replaced with AMGD all for the glory of God. Founded In Honolulu, Honolulu County, Hawaii, United States More than one artist goes by Pagan Babies 1. Maybe they had sales during the year at times. I also remember something about a bridge ), and its name was even weirder - it was collect money to feed the Black babies. on a regular basis. Remember JMJ ? Thanks for the interest. I actually went to St Charles, but attended Corpus Cristi mass once in awhile. Along the way, in all the villages we passed through, there were people who were full of joy to see young people. We thought up the stupidest , weirdest names we could manage and , as I remember, the teacher wrote that name on the box with the five dollars and it went off to the pagans . Bonus question: Did children in Europe collect coins for the pagan babies? NFL NBA Megan Anderson Atlanta Hawks Los Angeles Lakers Boston Celtics Arsenal F.C. NEW YORK They were called pagan babies, an appellation that would never be used today. I guess we survived . Thanks for commenting. maybe NCIS or 60 minutes should get on the case? Youre too late. Each classroom was given small cardboard collection boxes . Maybe it was a Toledo thing?! The principal was standing nearby wondering if he should intervene . Their adopted Pagan Babies were then given the Sacrament of Baptism. Cary Cox stole a five dollar bill from his mothers purse when we were in fourth grade so that Cary could pick the name of the next pagan baby himself . We collected money (I think) for UNICEF but we didnt get to name anyone. Years later Larry Bye , another boy in the class , told me that his middle name was Herman and that he had been embarrassed when Cary chose the name Herman for the pagan baby. every cent counts and just know the things we take for granted and have, these amazing . What did they really think about it ? Simone Weil went into the factory to find out more about the social conditions of the modern worker in capitalism. It seemed like an honorable thing, he explained. . Valheim Genshin Impact Minecraft Pokimane Halo Infinite Call of Duty: Warzone Path of Exile Hollow Knight: Silksong Escape from Tarkov Watch Dogs: Legion. This is a serious problem. however, rings true today. I guess this went on everywhere. Pagan Babies was a missionary effort by definition it took place in other countries where the Catholic Church was trying to make inroads. That means that many of our grandbabies are pagan babies! Other prizes were plastic pencil cases with a ruler that formed the lid ; it slid out . Bonus question: Did children in Europe collect coins for the pagan babies? ago. But in 1969 the names we fourth graders favored were names like Ringo and Twiggy. And yet sometimes the answer was as simple as getting down on hands and knees to join the woman scrubbing the floor, to learn her technique and listen to her story. Some we're pretty outrageous!" It was pretty obvious he was showing off his flawless French accent. (And I pitched them when I went to college) I had one round flat plastic silhouette of Mary that glowed after you held it under a lamp for a bit. Hearts of Gold, A Gilded Age Historical Romance Series. I dont remember . Even though I later went on to become a Catholic priest (and later resigned and married), my robust suspicion that Catholicism did not have all the answers began to take root way back in my young Catholic boyhood. probably denoting how much money was collected. The assembly was buzzing . As a promotion, MISSIO is offering a chance to win a trip to Rome. Gina Cascone grew up in central New Jersey and is the author of Pagan Babies, Mother's Little Helper, and coauthor of twenty-six books for children. Reproduction of material from this website without written permission, or unlicensed commercial use or As an incentive for our fundraising, when we raised $5 we were allowed to give a Christian name to a pagan baby. Father Terry Dunn thought he'd seen everything on the mean streets of Detroit, but that was before he went on a little retreat to Rwanda to evade a tax-fraud indictment. Steve Stahley. Yeah . So it had to be pretty official, like our nun just couldnt pull a certificate out of her drawer and fill in the name.no, I think that it had to be signed by the big Catholic mucky-mucks. I just found yur comment .). Pagan babies. "I remember Pagan Babies!" talking about!" I seriously want to start a band now, just so I can name us that. Why would I sell overpriced candy to people and never get the bike anyway because no one could sell that much candy anyway ? I guess our efforts got similarly fierce , but I never got sucked into that . 4. muddymoose 4 mo. Its a great way to perform works of mercy or give alms during Lent or find a family charity. The only money we collected in little paper boxes was for UNICEF and to be perfectly honest, Im not even entirely sure what UNICEF is. One time, in the 70s, at an intimate dinner party, we realized the room was filled with about half Catholics who attended Catholic school. - Ann C. What kind of horrid name is that for a babypagan or not?! kids were allowed to give their baby a Christian name. Without her mothers knowledge ! The Church doesnt have a mission. The students would sell candy bars for a dollar each and , depending on how many each child sold , he or she would win prizes . In order to raise money for the missions, the grade school students were asked to bring in pennies and nickels to save a Pagan Baby. I have my doubts that any of ours got past downtown L.A. Catholic Register, more than one-third of millennials now say they are unaffiliated Great sounding rare live tape here by Philadelphia's own PAGAN BABIES from mid 1988. People needed food, water, medical care, and were looking to us to step up and provide it. Its funny no one knew about Pagan Babies , though . Every time we got 5.00 together, we got to buy and name a pagan baby. Explore . Thanks for the comment . But how ? I came across an amazing new app called Missio, created by the. My mom was not into that kind of stuff. And I think that if you bought your own Pagan Baby you got to take the certificate home. The salesman had charts and pictures and a poster for every classroom of the glorious prizes . Thanks for your input . - Sal S. - Kathy F. Philadelphia 76ers Premier League UFC. We didnt know any better (though Church elders should have, but thats another story, isnt it?). But I assured her that my Karen went straight to heavenMonsignor had said so and celebrated a Mass of the angels in white vestments rather than the usual funeral Mass in her honor. I also remember a certain boy who came from a wealthier family who could buy his own pagan baby. 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So how many pagan babies did you sell in Brentwood ? - Bob H. No longer just an auxiliary fundraiserthis was my chance to be part of the action! I suspect that Patricia never named them after you , David . I think it was to put on envelopes for Christmas cards? Remembering a Different A-to-Z Challenge | No Facilities. Instead, she found Jesus Christ. 2000 Elmore Leonard, Inc. (P)2000 Recorded Books Inc. Unabridged Audiobook. Needless to say, Zachary stuck. Ransom and Baptism? One of my fellow employees is reading a book called Pagan Babies. My grandmother gave me $5 to buy my Now I am teaching fourth grade in a little Catholic school in Venice . "I remember donations that were not enough to "buy" a whole baby we're combined and the I dont remember collecting money for them. in the classroom to see who had the most babies. I kept a large plastic Seagrams Seven bottle bank in my room at home that I put all my loose change into to save up for stuff I wanted and an occasional pagan baby. They folded out . The price of adoption was five dollars, and Cary had guts, for sure , for such a bold attempt at fraud . Pretty danged patronizing, offensive concept it was, too. those babies. Thanks for the comment. Im glad youu got a kick out of it . Keep writingthis is good stuff! Ill bet you remember those . Oh, my, what memories! Oh , well . Our principal determined that Hush Puppies were insurance against black scuffmarks in halls and classrooms. We were expected to sell subscriptions to our local Archdiocese newspaper when I went to elementary school. I stole your Money so that I could lend it back to You and Tim with Interest!!!!!!!!! Patti Maguire Armstrong Patti Maguire Armstrong is host of the TV talk show Ladies of Another View and an award-winning author and journalist. A freshly sprung ex-con turned stand-up comic, Debbie needs some fast cash, too, to settle an old score. They were called "pagan babies," certainly not the most sensitive appellation and one that would never be used today. Charlie stood up to his full height of about four foot three , his head held high , a serious look on his face . Gotta laugh about it now. Come back 60 years ago and well ask the teacher for one ; but now , I dont know . But Cary was caught . When Oblate Father Andrew Small asked who remembered them at the inaugural World Mission Dinner in New York, a few hands went up, mostly belonging to people with gray hair. I have her a link to your site. The thing was a brown color . - Sharon S. No pagan babies, just for the hungry, I think. At times, it seemed like the nuns in the Catholic School I was attending, would really pressure the students to contribute to the pagan babies. In Catholic school in San Francisco in the Sixties, we also collected for the pagan babies daily, and got to name the baby once we had five dollars. Anyway, I attended Catholic grade school from 1962 - 1970, and we collected money for pagan babies during Lent. Someone must have When I was in second grade I ransomed my own pagan baby and named her Pauline Anne after St Theresas oldest sister. Then we got a certificate and the children got a medal. Five bucks sure went far in 1958! It seemed like an almost daily ordeal for the class nun to individually quiz each student, asking if they had made a contribution on that particular day. It may speed things up . Ive been fortunate to travel to various parts of the world and to admire (our missionaries) extraordinary love of the world and of the people with whom they live., Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, apostolic nuncio to the United States who greeted guests on behalf of Pope Benedict XVI, called the Pontifical Mission Societies instruments for cooperation in the universal mission of the Church across the world.. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. With respect to children who have died without Baptism, the liturgy of the Church invites us to trust in Gods mercy and to pray for their salvation. (CCC 1283). We all nodded and agreed. Im pretty sure it was the heavy sell on Pagan Babies and the strong emphasis on the fact that God doesnt like Protestants that caused me to first question the rigid authority of the Catholic Church. I hope my Pagan Baby, Elizabeth Cecilia, is alive and well. I think the whole pagan babies thing was to give us something concrete to hold onto, plus those certificates that we got and plus, of course, naming rights all in the name of raising money for the Churchs missionary work. This is a serious problem. or school. Neil Getz on February 21, 2021 at 9:52 am. I spent all my paper boy money." In fourth grade I was finally old enough to see the movies they showedwith shots of real lepers and starving children. Who could choose the most ridiculous name ? I remember hearing the term too when I attended parochial school (mid 1960s), but by then it had been replaced by the UNICEF boxes. So then there was an ethical issue that , in some elementary way , even we students recognized . What memories. I believe it helped me get through this crazy life :-)) St. Paul noted that baptism replaces circumcision and circumcision was for infants. Through their action the proclamation of the Gospel also becomes an intervention on behalf ones neighbor, justice for the poorest, possibility of education in the most remote villages, medical aid in isolated places, emancipation from poverty and rehabilitation for the marginalized, overcoming ethnic divisions and respect for life in all its stages, Archbishop Vigano said. What was written on the boxes? My first lessons in social justice came through saving pagan babies. "Wow, that certainly brings back memories. What did we kids know ! She went to Catholic school too, and I dont know if they had pagan babies then, but I bet they did. When five dollars was collected the box would go.somewhere ..and a new box would be folded out by the teacher . Thanks for the comment . This was great to read. , Those madcap Catholics. Here is sister Mary So-and-So in the plane about to fly off to baptize the pagans . The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. One guy talked about confession when he was in third grade. . I went to catholic school the same time you did. So, does anybody remember the plastic prizes (not for pagan baby collections). David. - Nancy K. NEW YORK - They were called "pagan babies," an appellation that would never be used today. I dont think he really believed me. I vividly remember the certificate you have posted, with the various nationalities represented. Pagan babies may have disappeared from collection boxes but they started showing up in our families. Their Pagan Babies: "Lord have mercy! It used to be a full acronym - United Nations International Childrens Emergency Fund. This is such a funny story to me, I also went to Catholic School in the sixties and I remember raising money for the Pagan babies I dont remember what prizes do we got or anything but now my daughter who is 35 was talking about how Catholics or Pagan worshippers. Thanks for checking out my blog about my fathers WWII service on the PT boats. (After Vatican II beanies were no longer necessary.) He told how we had to examine our consciences. Catholic Dopers >age 50- does the term "pagan babies" ring a bell? You know the drill . I went to Catholic grade school at St. Amelias for 8 years. Students gave their allowances to save And my mother prayed. I also had a more personal reason for hitting the $5 markthe point at which you actually saved a baby and got naming rights. "Thats what I remember. My allowance was 25 cents a week . In the background it shows mosques, pagodas, etc, all the better to drive home the horrors wed saved him from. Who were these pagan babies, and did any of the pennies we contributed ever help any of them in any way? Christians have always believed that baptism As I write this I still feel the hurt and frustration 50 years later. Thanks for the comment ! And finally they finished . between boys and girls. My Jewish neighbors always bought a packet of the Childhood Catholic Christmas seals. I taught in Catholic schools in the 1970s and pagan babies were a thing of the past ( as far as I know ; but never underestimate the nuns ). I suspect nowhere . I remember how exciting it was when the Pagan Baby certificate was delivered. Never heard the term. When the class received the certificate the class just stoppedto think that our class really had another Pagan Baby! I remember Green Stamps . Catholics practice infant baptism because we take care of our childrens basic needs and what is more important than filling them with the Holy Spirit? If they're actually disabled, they can file the application with the city to get a handicap spot installed. My mother was horrified. I love the four Beatles pagan babies idea and the adultery thing ! - Karyn D. Remember what he said? Theres the priority. (CCC 1213). http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1202140.htm, http://asksistermarymartha.blogspot.com/2006/08/announcing-pagan-baby-reunion.html. When Father Andrew Small, O.M.I., asked who remembered them at the inaugural World Mission Dinner May 2 at the Pierre Hotel in Manhattan, a few hands went up, mostly belonging to people with gray hair. Except in the case of fourth grade, 1964, just after the Beatles hit America on Sullivan. Yes , of course , a money-raising strategy that tricked all of us kids I wonder now about our parents . The campaign will celebrate the legacy of love and support the program offered, and recall the babies with whom American children once connected through the Holy Childhood Association. Each time I hope to combine for them the Holy Childhoods call of responsibility with the lessons I learned in Guaymas: the difference between pity and solidarity, the complexity of the global structures that create poverty and need, and the smallness of our efforts at making a difference. A lot of your story is fiction. I could change the world. Im not sure at this point for whom we were collecting I supposed it could have been UNICEF, or perhaps a Catholic charity. The nuns tried to keep us on the Catholic path, but they had a lot of competition with of the civil rights movements of the time. My mother thought that those nuns were as close to God as we would ever get on earth. This is hilarious, love this! Sign-up for E-NewsletterGet Register Updates sent daily or weeklyto your inbox. I thought they would all come in a box and be distributed at the end of the school year. Remember Pagan Babies? Yeah! Stories ensued. Always when he asked his question , no matter what the occasion , he seemed to be right smack dab in the middle of the group . At every Catholic school in those days were 1969 From Pioneer to Poet by Isabelle Pagan, vintage Astrology book zodiac DUDE! Each in his or her own way has been a missionary of the Gospel of Christ. To some of us Catholic school old-timers , pagan babies is a secret code , I guess, that gets us entry into some somewhat sardonic memories . He chose Herman . Required fields are marked *. ), and its name was even weirder - it was collect money to feed . I was JUST telling my son about Pagan Babies when I was a little girl! When you get to heaven have it in your pocket . Years later, as adults, my younger sister, Patricia, confessed to sneaking into my room and using a butter knife to weasel the coins out of the bottle to buy candy and, yes, pagan babies. And the time I put together a shoe box with all the items I needed to go and baptize my Jewish friends across the street, Amy and Kenny Wolpin. Remember what he said? My dad was in the Navy out in the Pacific in WWII . I do not remember the term pagan babies at all, although I remember the little paper boxes quite well. Somewhere in the beachhead dump of stuff I call a filing system I have an adoption certificate which states that our class rescued some poor benighted child from the toils of Satan. You missed the naming and the fold-out box ! She thought that it would be the greatest thing in the world for me to become a nun. Id give my expected nickel or dime each week . sacraments. Well I am hurt that you would think I would steal your money to Buy and Name more pagan babies. We had Dominican Nuns. We can smile at it now at perhaps how silly it was, Father Small said. Never knew it meant Justice under God though . Another thing at every Catholic school in those days were collections to save pagan babiesunbaptized children not taught about God. They also helped keep things quiet. "We can smile at it now at perhaps how silly it was," Father Small said. In closing, Bless the Maryknolls for the work they do in spreading the message of the Gospel! 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